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	~~\|breakout=Platonism~~		\|contents=According to Platonic thought, there is no freedom of religion, all men and women are required to worship the Greek gods. In ancient Hellenic city-states, gods dictate each city's laws, and usually, a specific god such as Zeus for the Cretans and Apollo for the Lacedaemonians are accredited with giving the founding kings their laws (Plato 2013). The gods are the origin of law and order in the Hellenic world, meaning that going against a city's laws will also be going against the "holy" laws created by the gods. In Plato's Laws, the three older men discussed the proper way to govern a city taking a whole book to discuss how to properly deal with the atheism some youth end up practicing due to their disconnection to the gods. They saw this as a grave issue that would bring down the natural order of the city. They said these evil men undermine "the city's greatest laws" (Plato 2013). Their solution was to give the youth music and stories when very young in order for them to be able to always look back upon the tales displaying the divinity of the gods (Plato 2013).
	\|contents=According to Platonic thought, there is no freedom of religion, all men and women are required to worship the Greek gods. In ancient Hellenic city-states, gods dictate each city's laws, and usually, a specific god such as Zeus for the Cretans and Apollo for the Lacedaemonians are accredited with giving the founding kings their laws (Plato ~~[[Probable year::~~ 2013]]) . The gods are the origin of law and order in the Hellenic world, meaning that going against a city's laws will also be going against the "holy" laws created by the gods. In Plato's Laws, the three older men ~~discuss~~ the proper way to govern a city taking a whole book to discuss how to properly deal with the atheism some youth end up practicing due to their disconnection to the gods. ~~These men see~~ this as a grave issue that ~~will~~ bring down the natural order of the city. They ~~say~~ these evil men undermine "the city's greatest laws" (Plato ~~[[Probable year::~~ 2013]]) ~~. Even these men who do not believe in gods are enough for them to be perceived as unlawful and damned~~. Their solution is to give the youth music and stories when ~~they are~~ very young in order for them to be able to always look back upon the ~~undeniable~~ tales displaying the divinity of the gods (Plato ~~[[Probable year::~~ 2013]]) .

	However, Plato knows how poorly many myths about the Greek gods display said characters. When creating his "city in speech," Plato discusses the dangers of poets, such as Homer, and their interpretations of the gods, specifically regarding the guardians of the city. Plato believes the city cannot run unless the gods and their stories are adequately depicted so the ordinary people can follow them; otherwise, there will be no justice and virtue. Specifically for the guardians, Plato wishes for them to be raised fearing "slavery more than death," in order to do this he suggests that the poets be censored, deleting passages that make the afterlife sound like the worst possible place to end up (Plato [[Probable year:: 2004]], 67). Plato wishes for his Kallipolis to have not just the laws but the inner workings of the city’s citizens’ minds to be guided by the gods and their perfect divine image. This is also shown in Plato's Myth of Er, a story of a murdered soldier who returns from the dead to tell the common people what the afterlife is. This story is supposed to convince the citizens of the Kallipolis that the crimes committed by the Hellenes dictate an afterlife. However, Er recalls that while he was sitting in the judging room of the deceased that "the greater [punishments] for impiety or piety toward gods or parents" (Plato [[Probable year:: 2004]], 321). This is meant to keep Greeks in line with worshiping the gods because it is a tale-telling of the fate of the impious to be eternal suffering in hades.

	~~More evidence is given on~~ how ~~deeply~~ the ~~idea~~ of ~~strictly following religion affected~~ the ~~Greek states~~. ~~In The Apology~~, ~~Socrates is being~~ "~~tried for impiety~~" ~~and indoctrinating~~ the ~~youth as atheists~~ (Plato ~~[[Probable year:: 2018]]~~, 29). ~~Socrates is being brought~~ to ~~trial and eventually sentenced~~ to ~~death on suspicion of being an atheist~~ and ~~therefore going against the city~~'s ~~religion~~. ~~Whether Socrates was truly atheist or not did matter, he was believed~~ to be an ~~atheist~~, ~~among other accusations. For~~ that, he ~~deserved death~~, ~~according~~ to the ~~city~~ of ~~Athens. The Apology shows us how essential Greeks thought piety and religion were and how closely related~~ the ~~state religion and laws were~~.		However, Plato knew how poorly many myths displayed the Greek gods. When creating his "city in speech," Plato discusses the dangers of poets, such as Homer, and their interpretations of the gods, specifically regarding the guardians of the city. Plato believes the city cannot run unless the gods and their stories are adequately depicted so the ordinary people can follow them; otherwise, there will be no justice and virtue. Specifically for the guardians, Plato wished for them to be raised fearing "slavery more than death," in order to do this he suggested that the poets be censored, deleting passages that make the afterlife sound like the worst possible place to end up (Plato 2004, 67). Plato wished for his Kallipolis to have not just the laws but the inner workings of the city’s citizens’ minds to be guided by the gods and their perfect divine image. This is also shown in Plato's Myth of Er, a story of a murdered soldier who returns from the dead to tell the common people what the afterlife is. This story is supposed to convince the citizens of the Kallipolis that the crimes committed by the Hellenes dictate an afterlife. However, Er recalls that while he was sitting in the judging room of the deceased that "the greater [punishments] for impiety or piety toward gods or parents" (Plato 2004, 321). This is meant to keep Greeks in line with worshiping the gods because it is a tale-telling of the fate of the impious to be eternal suffering in hades.

	~~Plato. [[Probable year:: 2004]]~~. The ~~Republic. Translated by C. D. C. Reeve. Hackett Publishing Company~~, ~~Inc~~. ~~https://123philosophy~~.~~files.wordpress.com/[[Probable year:: 2018]]/ 12/Plato-Republic~~.~~pdf~~		More evidence is given on how deeply the idea of strictly following religion affected the Greek states. In The Apology, Socrates was "tried for impiety" (Plato 2018, 29). Socrates was brought to trial and eventually sentenced to death on suspicion of going against the city's religion. The Apology shows how essential Greeks thought piety and religion were and how closely related the state religion and laws were.

	~~Plato. [[Probable year~~:: 2013]]. Laws. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. The Project Gutenberg EBook of Laws. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/[[Probable year:: 1750]]/ [[Probable year:: 1750]]- h/[[Probable year:: 1750]]- h.htm		REFERENCES:

	Plato. ~~[[Probable year:: 2018]]~~. The ~~Apology~~. Translated by ~~Benjamin Jowett~~. ~~Indian River State College Libraries~~.https://~~irsc~~.~~libguides~~.com/~~worldlit~~/~~apology~~.		Plato. 2004. The Republic. Translated by C. D. C. Reeve. Hackett Publishing Company, Inc. https://123philosophy.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Plato-Republic.pdf

			Plato. 2013. Laws. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. The Project Gutenberg EBook of Laws. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1750/1750-h/1750-h.htm

			Plato. 2018. The Apology. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. Indian River State College Libraries. https://irsc.libguides.com/worldlit/apology.
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	\|contents=According to Platonic thought, there is no freedom of religion, all men and women are required to worship the Greek gods. In ancient Hellenic city-states, gods dictate each city's laws, and usually, a specific god such as Zeus for the Cretans and Apollo for the Lacedaemonians are accredited with giving the founding kings their laws (Plato [[Probable year::2013]]) . The gods are the origin of law and order in the Hellenic world, meaning that going against a city's laws will also be going against the "holy" laws created by the gods. In Plato's Laws, the three older men discuss the proper way to govern a city taking a whole book to discuss how to properly deal with the atheism some youth end up practicing due to their disconnection to the gods. These men see this as a grave issue that will bring down the natural order of the city. They say these evil men undermine "the city's greatest laws" (Plato [[Probable year::2013]]) . Even these men who do not believe in gods are enough for them to be perceived as unlawful and damned. Their solution is to give the youth music and stories when they are very young in order for them to be able to always look back upon the undeniable tales displaying the divinity of the gods (Plato [[Probable year::2013]]) .		\|contents=According to Platonic thought, there is no freedom of religion, all men and women are required to worship the Greek gods. In ancient Hellenic city-states, gods dictate each city's laws, and usually, a specific god such as Zeus for the Cretans and Apollo for the Lacedaemonians are accredited with giving the founding kings their laws (Plato [[Probable year:: 2013]]) . The gods are the origin of law and order in the Hellenic world, meaning that going against a city's laws will also be going against the "holy" laws created by the gods. In Plato's Laws, the three older men discuss the proper way to govern a city taking a whole book to discuss how to properly deal with the atheism some youth end up practicing due to their disconnection to the gods. These men see this as a grave issue that will bring down the natural order of the city. They say these evil men undermine "the city's greatest laws" (Plato [[Probable year:: 2013]]) . Even these men who do not believe in gods are enough for them to be perceived as unlawful and damned. Their solution is to give the youth music and stories when they are very young in order for them to be able to always look back upon the undeniable tales displaying the divinity of the gods (Plato [[Probable year:: 2013]]) .

	However, Plato knows how poorly many myths about the Greek gods display said characters. When creating his "city in speech," Plato discusses the dangers of poets, such as Homer, and their interpretations of the gods, specifically regarding the guardians of the city. Plato believes the city cannot run unless the gods and their stories are adequately depicted so the ordinary people can follow them; otherwise, there will be no justice and virtue. Specifically for the guardians, Plato wishes for them to be raised fearing "slavery more than death," in order to do this he suggests that the poets be censored, deleting passages that make the afterlife sound like the worst possible place to end up (Plato [[Probable year::2004]], 67). Plato wishes for his Kallipolis to have not just the laws but the inner workings of the city’s citizens’ minds to be guided by the gods and their perfect divine image. This is also shown in Plato's Myth of Er, a story of a murdered soldier who returns from the dead to tell the common people what the afterlife is. This story is supposed to convince the citizens of the Kallipolis that the crimes committed by the Hellenes dictate an afterlife. However, Er recalls that while he was sitting in the judging room of the deceased that "the greater [punishments] for impiety or piety toward gods or parents" (Plato [[Probable year::2004]], 321). This is meant to keep Greeks in line with worshiping the gods because it is a tale-telling of the fate of the impious to be eternal suffering in hades.		However, Plato knows how poorly many myths about the Greek gods display said characters. When creating his "city in speech," Plato discusses the dangers of poets, such as Homer, and their interpretations of the gods, specifically regarding the guardians of the city. Plato believes the city cannot run unless the gods and their stories are adequately depicted so the ordinary people can follow them; otherwise, there will be no justice and virtue. Specifically for the guardians, Plato wishes for them to be raised fearing "slavery more than death," in order to do this he suggests that the poets be censored, deleting passages that make the afterlife sound like the worst possible place to end up (Plato [[Probable year:: 2004]], 67). Plato wishes for his Kallipolis to have not just the laws but the inner workings of the city’s citizens’ minds to be guided by the gods and their perfect divine image. This is also shown in Plato's Myth of Er, a story of a murdered soldier who returns from the dead to tell the common people what the afterlife is. This story is supposed to convince the citizens of the Kallipolis that the crimes committed by the Hellenes dictate an afterlife. However, Er recalls that while he was sitting in the judging room of the deceased that "the greater [punishments] for impiety or piety toward gods or parents" (Plato [[Probable year:: 2004]], 321). This is meant to keep Greeks in line with worshiping the gods because it is a tale-telling of the fate of the impious to be eternal suffering in hades.

	More evidence is given on how deeply the idea of strictly following religion affected the Greek states. In The Apology, Socrates is being "tried for impiety" and indoctrinating the youth as atheists (Plato [[Probable year::2018]], 29). Socrates is being brought to trial and eventually sentenced to death on suspicion of being an atheist and therefore going against the city's religion. Whether Socrates was truly atheist or not did matter, he was believed to be an atheist, among other accusations. For that, he deserved death, according to the city of Athens. The Apology shows us how essential Greeks thought piety and religion were and how closely related the state religion and laws were.		More evidence is given on how deeply the idea of strictly following religion affected the Greek states. In The Apology, Socrates is being "tried for impiety" and indoctrinating the youth as atheists (Plato [[Probable year:: 2018]], 29). Socrates is being brought to trial and eventually sentenced to death on suspicion of being an atheist and therefore going against the city's religion. Whether Socrates was truly atheist or not did matter, he was believed to be an atheist, among other accusations. For that, he deserved death, according to the city of Athens. The Apology shows us how essential Greeks thought piety and religion were and how closely related the state religion and laws were.

	Plato. [[Probable year::2004]]. The Republic. Translated by C. D. C. Reeve. Hackett Publishing Company, Inc. https://123philosophy.files.wordpress.com/[[Probable year::2018]]/ 12/Plato-Republic.pdf		Plato. [[Probable year:: 2004]]. The Republic. Translated by C. D. C. Reeve. Hackett Publishing Company, Inc. https://123philosophy.files.wordpress.com/[[Probable year:: 2018]]/ 12/Plato-Republic.pdf

	Plato. [[Probable year::2013]]. Laws. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. The Project Gutenberg EBook of Laws. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/[[Probable year::1750]]/ [[Probable year::1750]]- h/[[Probable year::1750]]- h.htm		Plato. [[Probable year:: 2013]]. Laws. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. The Project Gutenberg EBook of Laws. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/[[Probable year:: 1750]]/ [[Probable year:: 1750]]- h/[[Probable year:: 1750]]- h.htm

	Plato. [[Probable year::2018]]. The Apology. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. Indian River State College Libraries.https://irsc.libguides.com/worldlit/apology.		Plato. [[Probable year:: 2018]]. The Apology. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. Indian River State College Libraries.https://irsc.libguides.com/worldlit/apology.


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However, Plato knows how poorly many myths about the Greek gods display said characters. When creating his "city in speech," Plato discusses the dangers of poets, such as Homer, and their interpretations of the gods, specifically regarding the guardians of the city. Plato believes the city cannot run unless the gods and their stories are adequately depicted so the ordinary people can follow them; otherwise, there will be no justice and virtue. Specifically for the guardians, Plato wishes for them to be raised fearing "slavery more than death," in order to do this he suggests that the poets be censored, deleting passages that make the afterlife sound like the worst possible place to end up (Plato [[Probable year::2004]], 67). Plato wishes for his Kallipolis to have not just the laws but the inner workings of the city’s citizens’ minds to be guided by the gods and their perfect divine image. This is also shown in Plato's Myth of Er, a story of a murdered soldier who returns from the dead to tell the common people what the afterlife is. This story is supposed to convince the citizens of the Kallipolis that the crimes committed by the Hellenes dictate an afterlife. However, Er recalls that while he was sitting in the judging room of the deceased that "the greater [punishments] for impiety or piety toward gods or parents" (Plato [[Probable year::2004]], 321). This is meant to keep Greeks in line with worshiping the gods because it is a tale-telling of the fate of the impious to be eternal suffering in hades.

More evidence is given on how deeply the idea of strictly following religion affected the Greek states. In The Apology, Socrates is being "tried for impiety" and indoctrinating the youth as atheists (Plato [[Probable year::2018]], 29). Socrates is being brought to trial and eventually sentenced to death on suspicion of being an atheist and therefore going against the city's religion. Whether Socrates was truly atheist or not did matter, he was believed to be an atheist, among other accusations. For that, he deserved death, according to the city of Athens. The Apology shows us how essential Greeks thought piety and religion were and how closely related the state religion and laws were.

Plato. [[Probable year::2004]]. The Republic. Translated by C. D. C. Reeve. Hackett Publishing Company, Inc. https://123philosophy.files.wordpress.com/[[Probable year::2018]]/ 12/Plato-Republic.pdf

Plato. [[Probable year::2013]]. Laws. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. The Project Gutenberg EBook of Laws. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/[[Probable year::1750]]/ [[Probable year::1750]]- h/[[Probable year::1750]]- h.htm

Plato. [[Probable year::2018]]. The Apology. Translated by Benjamin Jowett. Indian River State College Libraries.https://irsc.libguides.com/worldlit/apology.

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